Embracing Multi-Potentiality: An Inspiring Conversation with Atmos!

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Peace. Peace, everyone. It's your girl, sequoia blue back in here with another

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episode. And today we have a special guest from the

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UK, Atmos. And he is a multi

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instrumentalist, composer, artist, photographer, poet

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and author. I mean, just all around talented.

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And he considers himself to be a multi potential light.

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And that's a great segue, y'all, because, you know, I consider myself to

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be a multite potential light. So I definitely want to get his opinion on what

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that means to him. So thanks, Atmos, for coming into

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the pod today. And what does multi potential, like, mean to

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you? Oh, that's a good place to start.

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So multi potentiality is something that I came

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into quite late, really, and I never really knew it existed. So

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for me, it means wanting to explore lots of different

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areas, but deeply as well, not just scratching the surface.

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So it's exploring multiple interests

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and sort of really diving into them and finding out what it's about and what

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you like about those interests as well.

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I like that. Yeah. Because there's so much stigma

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on that. They're like, focus on one thing and meet down and blah, blah,

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blah. And it's like, that's not everybody, right? And

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everybody can handle different things, right? Exactly.

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Exactly. Yeah. I was just going to say, like, for me personally, like,

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one of the reasons I consider myself a multi potential art is because

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different art forms, for example, they cater to different

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needs or different things. I want to express. You know, I might want to

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express something visually through art or photography, but then if I have an

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emotion, I want to get out. It might be music that

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fulfills that.

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So you just. You just let out whatever vibes you have

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with whatever skill set that's there that you have. I like that.

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Like, it's good not to close ourselves off because it's

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just, it doesn't make life fruitful when we can't just say, okay, let me express

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this this way. I'm a painted. I love it. I like your paintings, by the

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way. Please check out his website. Thank you productions

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slash links because his art is very different. I like the

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style of it. I'm actually probably gonna buy one of

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these because I like, I like, I like art the size of boxes,

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as you all probably know by now. And

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so what, so what is the favorite. What is your favorite

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thing that you like to do when it comes to, like,

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figuring out what you're. What you're gonna map out, like, as far as, like, your

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book or just your music? Like, how do you sit down and prepare for

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it? So I think one of the ways I prepare for

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doing these things is almost kind of doing the groundwork by

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just allowing myself to play and sort of create without expecting

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too much to start with. A lot of the projects I've

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created, they've come together almost afterwards.

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I've been writing a lot of poetry under a tree, for example, at one point

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in my life, and then at one point I thought, well, maybe I should do

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a book, because these poems that I've been coming up with are quite strong,

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and they clearly link together for

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most projects. It's not really a case of I've got a vision that I want

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to come together, but that does happen as well sometimes,

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especially if it's something like the music that I've been

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working on. If I've got, like, a concept album in mind, then

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I kind of explore that theme and again allow myself to play and

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then try and draw together these different creations and try to make some sense of

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it. Wow. I love

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it. I love it. And what inspired you to write poetry

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for the blind? So when I first started doing

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poetry, I never thought about doing a book at all. The first poem I

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actually did, it was, in a way, a

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tribute and like a sort of putting myself in the shoes

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of my uncle, who he was in the Falklands war,

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and I experienced myself

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sort of hearing him with night terrors. And it sort of put, I wanted

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to sort of think how things might have been from his perspective when he came

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back from the Falklands. And I actually wrote the poem

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war based on that. And originally that was going to be

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song lyrics, but once I read it over a few times, I realized it

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stood on its own ground. It didn't need music for it to have any weight

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to it. And from building on that,

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I ended up doing another poem called speciesism, which

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actually converted me to. I basically converted myself to veganism,

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really, because I've. Yeah. Oh, so

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I've always been into animal rights and animal welfare, but once I

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started researching more into the realities of animal

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agriculture, I started to connect the dots in my

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mind, in my subconscious, I think, and I started to write

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about it. And once I put the words onto the page and

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I realized what I was supporting at that time, because I was vegetarian,

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I realized that I need to start doing this if this is what

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I believe and this is. And it kind of led from there, really.

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And I started building on other social themes and

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things that I'm really passionate about. I think other people,

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or most people, we need to pay attention to things more. It's so

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easy to get on with our own day to day lives and almost ignore

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some things that are important in the world.

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Oh, I love that. And your book covers various

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themes like philosophy, consciousness and gratitude. What does

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conscious mean? So I think, to put it in a sentence, I

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think a conscious way of living is being present in

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the life that we have and that. So that could be our personal

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life, but also the world that's going on around us at the same

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time not shying away from things that are

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going on. And a good example is what's happening in Palestine right now.

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It's something that may not directly affect us in one way, but

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it doesn't mean that we should ignore it, because I think

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issues like that may be affecting people in another country,

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but one day may affect us, and we want people in our corner to support

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us when that happens.

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Yeah, I totally agree. Just being all around aware, and that's what

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I'm about is awareness. Just knowing what's going on out here. You know, you got

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a lot of people that don't know what's going on and you're like, dang, you

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don't gotta. I think it's important to stay aware and not be fearful. Right?

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Like, I think people, it's a fine line between being scared, watching,

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and then just being aware. You know, it's. I think

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it's like this mind warp thing. And I use that word a lot fresh in

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cop, you know, trademark that. But mind warping yourself, which is to

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understanding the differences and things, you know.

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You know, like spirituality versus religion and all these things

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that, you know, are set. I mean, do you see yourself

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as spiritual or do you see yourself as. So I wouldn't see myself as

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a religious person. I think at one point I did question

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a lot of that area, whether I did want to go down the path of

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being religious or whether that kind of life was for me. But I

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would say that I'm a spiritual person. I did.

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So I have fallen out of a bit of a spiritual practice that I was

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quite ingrained in at one point. But I still believe in a lot of the

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principles of living a spiritual life. And

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I also believe that this is not the only existence that there is,

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that there are other, like, you could call them realms or

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dimensions that we don't necessarily see, but

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I believe they exist, whether that's reincarnation or other things like

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that.

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Yeah, I did, too. Like, I sometimes think my dog has lived before.

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He's been here before, his little man in him or something. I mean,

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I just. I just think outside the box like that. And I think that's what

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makes life better and more aware

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of what could be, you know,

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watching the show evil right now, in the show evil, it talks about,

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you know, different spiritual things that could happen to

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someone, like possession. And then, you know, you have a psychiatrist, and you have

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a. Who is it, a priest? And then you have

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the tech guy, and they're all going to these different

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situations. And they're trying to see if it's really a

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demon possession. Or is it actually their mind. Is it

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psychologically all. They need some medicine or something. And I think that's

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interesting because it's like, that ties into, like, the whole

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awareness and the consciousness thing. Because it's like knowing, okay, what's the

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difference of it all? And can you get outside of your mind to see the

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difference? Like, what if you're stuck and it's one thing, and you can't see that

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this person may be possessed, might need some other help besides some

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medicine? It's just a deep show. I. You know, it

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just. I don't know why you booked it. It sounds good, but, yes. Okay.

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Carry on. What? Yeah, so I was

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gonna say kind. Of what you're about to think. One of the things that show

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makes me think of, although I haven't seen it, is I think

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there's an innate human need for us to put logic on

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everything. Or try to define something logically in a way that we

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can make sense of. But I don't believe that there. We

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will ever understand everything that there is to know. And I think that's okay.

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You know, I think sometimes there are things that are beyond us. That we just

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have to kind of let go of trying to make sense of.

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Yes, I totally agree. Sometimes you just don't know. Just say you

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just can't figure it out. Even if all the degrees or whatever you feel like,

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you know, has got you into this world and say, okay, this is

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what. Is what it's got to be. Because I went to Harvard, like, you know,

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we don't know. You know. So that's just what it is.

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And, uh, how do you think poetry can. So that's good. So

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I think with poetry, I mean, I don't know the complete

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origins of poetry, but I think. I think of poetry as a form of

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protest, like lyrical protest. I mean,

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it doesn't always have to be that way. But I feel like there's a lot

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of power in words, whether it's through poetry or, you know, through fiction,

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for example. And I think it's quite accessible as well,

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unlike some art forms that people might not get as much. I

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think if you can write something, if you can write a

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poem that is true to your beliefs and

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something that other people can resonate with, then you

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almost share your perspective with them through words and you

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connect on a deeper level, even though they've never met you before, and

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you're sharing ideas by them, consuming what

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you read and then thinking it over in their own mind and then questioning how

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those words make them feel.

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Mmm, that is so true. I mean, because there's always someone else in the

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world thinking the same thing you are and just wants maybe somebody else to say

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it or to connect with someone else. And that's how I feel like poetry is,

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you know, I mean, because every, when I used to do. I actually do

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poetry, too, but I don't do it as much as I used to. But when

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I used to go to this poetry shop in Atlanta, Georgia, when I used to

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live in Atlanta, I used to go and recite poetry,

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and people would be like, you know, hey, man, I connected with that or this

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and that, and it's like you can see their face light up, you know, and

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it just makes. Makes it all worthwhile, you know? It's

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very interesting. Yeah, definitely. I think

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that's one of the reasons I like performing poetry live as well sometimes.

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Because if you look around the room while you're performing and you engage

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with the audience, I think you can usually tell when someone's really intently

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listening to what you say, whether they connect with it in some way as

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well. So it's. It's really nice and refreshing when that

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happens. Man, that's amazing.

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So do you believe in law of attraction?

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So I'm just trying to remember. So my understanding

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of the law of attraction is it's when you, you attract what you

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put out. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. So

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I do believe in it. I don't know if I fully believe in it, but

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I do. I can sort of make sense of it with the logic that we

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were talking about earlier. Yeah.

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So I think what we focus on is what we get

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closer to. And I think that does. It's essentially the same

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thing, I think, for me.

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I mean, one thing that I was trying to do for a long time is

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I was trying to move to a different city, and it

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wasn't quite working out in the way that I wanted it to. And

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despite that, I kind of changed my tactics of what I was doing at the

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time, and I tried to help build the creative community or get

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involved in that in my local area, because those were the things that I were

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craving at the time. And by doing that, I've made so

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many new connections. I've had more opportunities

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and just more friendships as well from creative people, which

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I think is part of the reason why I wanted to move, because the

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place I was thinking of moving was a place called Brighton in England. I

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don't know if you've heard of it before. Tumble. I heard of it, actually,

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yeah. So I haven't been there a lot, but there's quite a creative scene

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there of lots of different kinds of people. But

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I no longer think that you have to move to those places necessarily to

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find those people. A lot of them are in the same cities that you live

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in. It's just knowing where to find them. And I think

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by changing the way I was approaching how I was trying to live,

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by not moving anymore, I helped myself

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to find those people because I got involved in the community, and

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I attracted those people into my circle, if you like.

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Oh, I love it. Yeah. Because I do believe there's just some type

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of circle of, I mean, call it signs, you call it spirituality.

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I don't know. I do believe that when you're. When your mind really wants something,

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and I mean, not halfway wants something, but really wants it, I swear, it

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just comes to you, like, and it started happening to me. I started becoming more

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of my conscious awareness journey and gratitude journey, really,

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just like a year ago. And things just start coming, like type of guests. I

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want everything. I'm like, what the. I don't even look for nothing no more, you

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know? And things that I don't really want or halfway want, they just don't come.

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Yeah. You know, are things that may just take a long time. Maybe

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it's. I'm not ready yet. Because sometimes you understand that you might have want to

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start doing the performing at 20, but you just weren't ready at the

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time. And I think I just wasn't ready for certain things in my twenties,

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like I am, like I am now. It's like sometimes it's

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your thirties, forties is more fruitful. Like, you know, I think sometimes it's

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okay to start later because sometimes it's like you're better when you start later,

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you know, and just try to get that stigma if you got to be young

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and do this and that. Just get that out. Get that out of your brain,

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guys. I mean, come. Come on. You know, it's just so much more to life.

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We can live up to 100 if we, you know, eat right.

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It'll be like atmos. I'd become a vegan, but I don't know if I. It's

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gonna be very hard for me. I'm a pescetarian right now, and I don't know

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if I can. Maybe I'll have to set a challenge for you. Try it out

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for a week. You never know. You might

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have to send me a recipe or something because I can. I'm just like, I'm

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just so used to having some type of meat and, you know, and then I

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feel like sometimes I get sick, like, from salmon. I used to be like, okay,

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I can eat salmon, but then I'm starting to get sick from it. I said,

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what the heck am I going to eat? I don't know if they're point. You

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know, I've seen so many documentaries. We probably, you know, you've probably seen it, too,

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where there's stuff in the food now, and it's just causing a lot of

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issues. So it's, it's, it's just so

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many directions you can go, but it's hard. It's very hard for me. But

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I'm like, yeah, no, I know what you mean. I mean, the culture of food,

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food that we, like, live in, it's. Yeah, it's so, like, different to,

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I believe, how it should be. I mean, ideally, we would have local

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communities or, like, local gardens or something where we have, you know,

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access to fresh produce, you know, most of the time throughout the year.

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But instead we've got these, you know, mass

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manufactured, you know, whether it's livestock or, or

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it's crops that have been sprayed or with pesticides and all

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those kind of things that we're then ingesting, you know, and. But it's no wonder

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that people get sick because we're not really consuming real

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food a lot of the time.

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No, we're not. I'm like, God dang it, it's getting worse now. And I'm just

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like, what am I? What is going on? So I just try to try to

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stay positive about it, try to figure out and just keep going because, you know,

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your body is used to what it's used to. And I think that's the issue

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with a lot of people. So you also went down

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a musical journey here. When did you start? So

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my introduction to music was one of the first creative things I really got into.

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So when I was around, I'm gonna say around

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ten, I think that's when I started playing the recorder. I don't know if that's

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something you guys do in America, but it's quite common here for a lot of

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kids to learn the recorder

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and. Yeah, so I started with that, but that

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never really stuck for me. It's. Yeah, it didn't really interest me much.

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And then I started getting involved in viola maybe like a couple of years

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after. And I think I found it too difficult, if I'm being completely

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honest. So I gave that up as well. But when I, when

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I was around twelve, then I found the

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guitar and I think it's because of the music I was

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listening to at the time as well. All my bands and

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musicians that inspired me. That instrument stuck for me.

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So from twelve onwards I gradually got more invested in

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music and started practicing my skills and started to

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connect the dots and understand how music works and how we can use it

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to express ourselves and to

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connect with other people as well. Especially if we're playing live music

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with the band and an audience as well.

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Wow. I love it. And have you ever had any like

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stage fright or anything like that or. Absolutely. I think

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any musician or any performer that says they don't

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get stage fright, I think they're lying, to be honest,

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because I think with stage fright, the reason

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we get it is because we care. We care about providing a

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good performance. We want to connect with the audience, we want to play our music

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properly that we know it's even if the audience doesn't know what it's supposed to

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sound like. Because we know that there

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are a lot of people out there that will judge us for how we are

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on stage and off stage. And we most want to put our best

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foot forward. But I think it's important

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to not let stage fright stop you from doing it at all. It's

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okay to make mistakes. Even the most famous musicians of all

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time do it on countless occasions that you

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might not notice if you see them perform because you're not looking for their mistakes.

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You're trying to enjoy yourself.

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They're home. Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, I'm not

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really, I'm not a judge, judgy type person because I don't know if it's because

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I'm an artist at heart, but I, I just, I don't look for the flaws,

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I just look for just a good artist and I'm not comparing them to another

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artist I notice and you know, where I'm at, it's like a lot

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of, you know, a lot of people compare, you

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know, certain artists to other artists, like, oh, you're not this artist or that. Especially

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when I was growing up, they would say, oh, you're not. You know, you don't.

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You're not sounding like you're in a church. You're not sound like Lady Houston or

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something. And, like, I'm not. I love those. I love different type of music, but

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I'm definitely just myself. And that, you know, it took years to figure out, oh,

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this is, you know, I'm an eccentric singer. I'm an abstract soul singer.

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I call myself, because I might mix rock with soul. I might mix

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things around, you know, I don't want any rules. I don't like rules. Like,

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because it's music. It's still art. It's like a painter. So, you know, Vincent Van

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Gogh can paint his stuff and do it the way he wants, and I should

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be able to do my music the way I want. But things are changing now.

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You see more of that happening, more that revolution. Yeah, I mean, I absolutely

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agree. I think, you know, there's only one of you. Why try and

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be someone else? Only you can express yourself, yourself authentically. And

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I think despite any pushback from people saying that you

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can't do certain genres or you can't do certain

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instruments, for example, almost do it, almost

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go against it on purpose as a form of rebellion. That's. That's the way I

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kind of see it, just to do it for yourself first, but almost to say

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that, you know, I can do this if I want. Yeah,

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it's like, I mean, and that's what I'm trying to push out here, because I

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want some. Someone that's 20 years old that's nervous and stuff to just do it.

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Do your own style, because we're sending a statement.

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Most people are followers, unfortunately, but you got the 5% that are

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just, like the change makers, if

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you will. And I think those are the ones, like us, you and I, we're

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the ones that's changing this game with the pushing our perspectives

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and challenging people perspectives. And that's what you're doing in your

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poetry book? Like, yeah, definitely.

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So I meant to ask you, what's your favorite poem

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in your book? That's a good question.

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So I don't know if I've ever thought about what my

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actual favorite is, because when I went through writing the

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poems, a lot of them kind of happened in phases. I'd

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focus on maybe a couple of poems at a time, and then I would

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just zone in on those and just make sure they were finished before moving

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on. I think, although there's a lot of deep

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subjects in my book, I think one of

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the. My favorites, just because of its simplicity, is the haiku that's

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at the start of the book. And

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the simplicity of it, I think, is good because

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it sort of embodies one of the principles of the book

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about how we can change the way we think. We don't have to

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be locked into these beliefs that we've adopted through our environment or through

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what other people have told us, and it's

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possible to grow and we can be better versions of

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ourselves. So I'd probably say the haiku is one of my favorites, but it's

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entitled, though, so. Yeah.

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Wow. Okay, that's interesting. And have you done any,

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like, book tours yet or anything? And, yeah, so

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I've done quite a few things since I released it last year, actually. So

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some of the ones that come to mind is I did a book signing in

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a local bookshop called Kenilworth Books, I think, last,

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late last year, which went really well. And

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I'm just going to say a shout out as well to all local bookstores that

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support artists. I think you guys are heroes

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because pretty much if you don't have a publishing deal,

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any big, major bookstores, they won't even consider you. And that was

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quite a shock that I learned when going through the self publishing route.

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There's definitely some gatekeeping going on in the literary

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community. And even with magazines or

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different people that offer to review books as well, most don't take self

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published books, which was quite a shock.

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Wow, that's crazy. I know. Here they're accepting it more now

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because I was, you know, and I mean, it's just weird

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because to me, the self published authors, hey, they got, you know, you know, I

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would say uniqueness now, and it's more

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authentic and raw in a way because, you know, we're coming to you ourselves.

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But hopefully that starts to change. I mean, do you

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like being self published, though, or did you want a publishing deal?

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So it's. I'm not sure, really. I

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think with being self published, I like the fact

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that you can have more creative control and

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you can express the, let's say in my case, a book, you can

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express it the way it's intended to be expressed. Whereas if you go

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a traditional publishing route, there's no way my cover would have been

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accepted the way it is without any text, because that's like a big no no

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for like.

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But going with a traditional publisher does have its perks as

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well. You know, you. You sacrifice or compromise on certain

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areas, and then they might have a bigger reach. They might be able to

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get you more event placements, but I

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still think with traditional publishers, there's no guarantee of success. Just like with

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record labels, you know, with music, they invest all this money into

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you, and essentially they can give you an advance, but it's just a

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loan, really. At least with record labels. Yeah, pretty

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much. And if you don't turn out to be a successful

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musician in this case, then. Then guess who's gonna have to pay it back.

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Thing I do. Yeah, exactly. What's that? I mean,

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yeah, I was about to ask you about that because, you know, a lot of

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times people think that being a music artist is just like being

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on tv everywhere. But when I turned 20, the game started

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changing. You know, the independent artists are making money. Like, I met a

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guy and I used to work at the airport. I was 20 years old. He

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was pulling 200,000 a year artist. Chilling. That's incredible. He

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wants. And I think, yeah. I was like, what? Okay.

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So he was doing that, and I say, it's possible. And when I took

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a, I took a marketing training, I think it was like three, four years

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ago. No, it hadn't been two years ago. Time go by so fast. And I

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said, all you need to know is how to market and have money to push

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that market. So all you have to do is, even if you have to get

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a loan from the bank, that is your loan. So it's a little bit better

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if you have to get a higher paying job. Whatever the case is, you can

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market your own stuff just like the labels, because marketing

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is the key to winning, so you don't even have to deal with the label,

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them telling you how to dress and what to do. Because I've seen a lot

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of artists in my twenties in Atlanta, Georgia, where they were, like, telling them,

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hey, you know, you need to dress like this. You need to do this and

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that. I was even told to be more like Rihanna at the time.

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Rihanna was popular during that time around 20, when I was 22, 23, and

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they would tell, you know, tell us to be more like that artist. And it

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was like, it took the juice out of it. Like, I thought that I could

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just be myself. So, you know, I was already kind of wise at

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that time that I didn't want to be like that. And the other artists were

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just getting. Some people gave in and said, hey, I'll be this caricature. And so

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said, no, I'm not going to do it. You know, and that's, that's

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why it's just more fruitful to be independent, I think. Especially if you authentic artists.

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Yeah, I mean, I respect that. And the idea of you trying

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to imitate another artist, to me is, I think it's a waste of time.

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Because if. If a fan of her music or someone that

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likes that kind of music has a choice between a big, well known

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artist that, you know, had been marketed probably

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a lot more than you have, and is already a household name,

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they're probably going to go with them if it's. The choices are very similar.

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So it just seems like a waste of time.

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Yeah, they're losing money. They're gonna lose out on their loan, like you said.

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So I think. I think it's just my opinion. I mean, my

445
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advice to artists out here just listening, please, just learn marketing, go take a course.

446
00:27:25,256 --> 00:27:28,664
Because nowadays there's courses. Back when I first started music at 20, there was really

447
00:27:28,704 --> 00:27:32,368
no free courses. You got udemy, now you got coursera, where you can learn

448
00:27:32,416 --> 00:27:35,952
free, you can learn training on marketing and just market your own stuff. Even if

449
00:27:35,968 --> 00:27:39,102
it's a dollar a day on Facebook, it can take you far and just do

450
00:27:39,118 --> 00:27:42,630
your own events. People like events. So if you, if

451
00:27:42,662 --> 00:27:46,086
you. I don't know if you guys have eventbrite in UK, but, like, there's certain

452
00:27:46,150 --> 00:27:49,550
apps you can use where you can, like, book a venue. I know it's like

453
00:27:49,582 --> 00:27:53,334
50 an hour here in the US, but there's probably somewhere you can

454
00:27:53,414 --> 00:27:56,886
book a venue and then just people like live stuff and they'll buy it just

455
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:59,398
because a lot of people don't have. Some people don't have anything to do, or

456
00:27:59,406 --> 00:28:02,938
they just want to do something different, they will literally buy your, your tv

457
00:28:02,966 --> 00:28:06,794
ticket, you know, and I think that's one of the biggest ways.

458
00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:10,682
More than just streaming platforms, you know, is just starting your

459
00:28:10,698 --> 00:28:14,058
own shows. I think on that note, like, that's really good

460
00:28:14,106 --> 00:28:17,322
because it's something that I've experienced a lot as well

461
00:28:17,378 --> 00:28:20,850
since, especially since releasing the book, I found that

462
00:28:21,002 --> 00:28:24,626
most of the time where I made my sales with my

463
00:28:24,650 --> 00:28:28,138
book, it was in person events. It was taking them to open mic

464
00:28:28,186 --> 00:28:31,534
nights, you know, plugging the book at the end of my set,

465
00:28:32,514 --> 00:28:36,002
book fairs and things like that. And I think it's because, like, you're talking about,

466
00:28:36,018 --> 00:28:39,626
like, the in person nature of it, I think it's because when you

467
00:28:39,730 --> 00:28:43,194
have that connection with someone in person, it feels a little bit more real and

468
00:28:43,234 --> 00:28:46,730
genuine. Whereas if someone streams your music,

469
00:28:46,842 --> 00:28:50,530
they. I feel like there's a disconnect. They're just hearing your music rather

470
00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:53,814
than connecting with you as a person and

471
00:28:54,594 --> 00:28:58,268
like, because of that, I think, yes, the in person

472
00:28:58,426 --> 00:29:02,216
marketing, if you like, through doing events, is the way to go, and it's, it's

473
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,024
the way to build your fan base and to become

474
00:29:06,104 --> 00:29:09,640
part of a local community of real people that, you know, make

475
00:29:09,672 --> 00:29:13,496
genuine connections with each other as well. Yes, I

476
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,632
love it. I mean, that's, I mean, I think that's what I think artists should

477
00:29:16,648 --> 00:29:20,160
be doing because it, I'm telling you, they'll see a big growth in no time.

478
00:29:20,232 --> 00:29:22,696
That's what I believe. I mean, I didn't do it yet. I'm gonna work on

479
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,420
it. I have some stage fright issues I'm getting over, but I can,

480
00:29:26,492 --> 00:29:30,044
I have a whole studio in my, in my room. But it's like,

481
00:29:30,124 --> 00:29:33,916
oh, man. It's like I like to perform just hiding a little bit. But

482
00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:37,700
at the end of the day, I do want to start performing out again and

483
00:29:37,732 --> 00:29:41,516
getting, you know, getting that connection and getting people to just to

484
00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:44,860
hear new type of music, new styles. But, uh, but, yeah,

485
00:29:44,892 --> 00:29:48,020
so before, well, you know what? I have two questions before

486
00:29:48,092 --> 00:29:51,914
we end the show. So what are your thoughts on

487
00:29:51,954 --> 00:29:55,786
AI, artificial intelligence and the music and art? Like, is, does

488
00:29:55,810 --> 00:29:59,482
that affect you or do you enhance it? It's funny because

489
00:29:59,538 --> 00:30:03,334
this has come up a lot recently. So

490
00:30:04,714 --> 00:30:08,274
my sort of thinking of AI is I don't

491
00:30:08,314 --> 00:30:11,882
think AI as a whole is necessarily a bad thing,

492
00:30:11,938 --> 00:30:15,562
but I really think that AI should just be banned from

493
00:30:15,618 --> 00:30:19,406
all art altogether because I think if it starts

494
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:23,094
getting used for the minor details of creating a

495
00:30:23,134 --> 00:30:26,790
creative project, it's only a certain amount of time before it starts getting

496
00:30:26,822 --> 00:30:30,230
used more and more. And a really good

497
00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:33,518
example of AI and art that I really disagreed with,

498
00:30:33,566 --> 00:30:37,262
and it was a real shock, was a

499
00:30:37,318 --> 00:30:41,166
video competition that Pink Floyd put out where they

500
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:44,354
wanted different animators to create a video

501
00:30:44,794 --> 00:30:48,642
for each of the songs off their record. Dark side of the Moon,

502
00:30:48,818 --> 00:30:52,214
I think it was for the 50th anniversary, and

503
00:30:53,194 --> 00:30:56,254
unlike a lot of competitions, there was no,

504
00:30:57,274 --> 00:31:00,786
there was no clause that said that AI wasn't allowed. And because of

505
00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:04,186
that, there were so many AI entries and one of them actually

506
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:07,714
won. And it won compared. Yeah,

507
00:31:07,754 --> 00:31:11,536
exactly. And there were lots of artists that you could

508
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,200
tell. They spent months and months on their animations. And

509
00:31:15,392 --> 00:31:19,200
the guy that won, almost like he couldn't

510
00:31:19,272 --> 00:31:23,096
sort of explain what he did properly or like, it didn't seem very

511
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,680
genuine yet his video won. And I think

512
00:31:26,872 --> 00:31:30,672
especially because it's Pink Floyd, like a massive household name, one of

513
00:31:30,688 --> 00:31:34,416
my favorite bands as well. It's that alone is

514
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,968
set a real dangerous precedent that, you know, artists or like,

515
00:31:38,016 --> 00:31:41,660
animators in this case, they have to compete with AI now.

516
00:31:41,732 --> 00:31:44,504
And AI is almost winning in some cases.

517
00:31:46,284 --> 00:31:49,876
Wow, man, that's crazy. I do. I do

518
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:52,972
understand you on that one. I kind of. I sometimes feel like I'm half and

519
00:31:52,988 --> 00:31:56,276
half. I do like artificial intelligence, what it can do, because I, you know, I

520
00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:59,508
work in tech and I do like some of the things that it can do,

521
00:31:59,556 --> 00:32:02,180
and I do like, some of the art I can create. Create. I know that's

522
00:32:02,212 --> 00:32:05,932
naughty, but I just like to create certain art with it. I

523
00:32:05,948 --> 00:32:09,732
was a painter, you know, I paint kind of abstract type work, so I do

524
00:32:09,748 --> 00:32:13,220
know how to paint. But when I do. When I do artificial

525
00:32:13,252 --> 00:32:16,836
intelligence art, it kind of just, I don't know, I kind of bring out what

526
00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:20,540
I want in a way, in, in a different way. So, you know,

527
00:32:20,652 --> 00:32:24,104
I don't know. But I do think that it's wrong to. To.

528
00:32:24,404 --> 00:32:27,364
I think if. I think there should be different type of competitions, if it's one

529
00:32:27,404 --> 00:32:31,172
to. For real animators and real artists,

530
00:32:31,228 --> 00:32:34,852
that should be said and then have a contest for maybe the AI artistic

531
00:32:34,908 --> 00:32:38,612
piece. Like, just have different. Just differentiate. Differentiated. I

532
00:32:38,628 --> 00:32:42,156
think that will help out because it isn't fair to the artist that took all

533
00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:45,900
this time trying to get this piece done, our song done,

534
00:32:45,932 --> 00:32:49,756
you know, because you're also doing songs. Well, yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, I agree with

535
00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:53,412
you. I think clearly AI is not going away anytime

536
00:32:53,468 --> 00:32:57,316
soon, but if it's reshaped into a

537
00:32:57,340 --> 00:33:01,180
way that doesn't harm real artists and it is kind

538
00:33:01,212 --> 00:33:04,980
of kept separate and it's people that create it acknowledge it as

539
00:33:05,012 --> 00:33:08,860
AI art, I think that's a direction that is better rather than

540
00:33:08,892 --> 00:33:12,492
trying to sort of blend. Blend the two and sort of kind of

541
00:33:12,588 --> 00:33:14,704
make real artists compete with AI.

542
00:33:16,884 --> 00:33:20,588
Yes, I totally agree. I love it. And before we head

543
00:33:20,636 --> 00:33:24,304
out, I want to know what. What events or anything are

544
00:33:24,624 --> 00:33:28,288
books or any projects that you have coming up that you want the audience to

545
00:33:28,296 --> 00:33:31,584
know about. Yeah, sure. So I think the most thing, the thing that's coming up

546
00:33:31,624 --> 00:33:35,016
that is the most interesting and close to completion is my

547
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,496
photography work. So I've been building

548
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,152
a fairly, well, I think, a fairly big portfolio in the

549
00:33:42,168 --> 00:33:45,344
background. I haven't really been sharing all of it on social media yet.

550
00:33:45,504 --> 00:33:49,176
And I think within the next three months,

551
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,736
maybe sooner, I should be able to start offering prints of

552
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,368
my, some of my portfolio as well, which I'm really excited

553
00:33:56,416 --> 00:34:00,176
about. I can't wait to get them printed either by myself,

554
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,816
I get a professional printer or another company, get them mounted and

555
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,656
boarded and presentable, basically, for anyone that's interested

556
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,484
in them, so that they can hopefully put them up on our walls at home.

557
00:34:13,464 --> 00:34:16,976
No, that's so inspiring. I love it. You know,

558
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,872
always thought AbOut. I mean, we're so similar. It's not Even. It's uncanny. Because

559
00:34:21,008 --> 00:34:23,728
one thing is, I. I said, I want to take some pictures of some. I

560
00:34:23,736 --> 00:34:26,296
got some hummingbirds out in my backyard, and I said, I want to take some

561
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,432
pictures of the hummingbirds and stuff. And I just never bought the camera because I

562
00:34:29,448 --> 00:34:32,840
felt guilty, because I'm doing a lot of. I'm

563
00:34:32,872 --> 00:34:36,632
like. I'm, like, doing something that said the guilt came in, but I said, you

564
00:34:36,648 --> 00:34:39,128
know what? You know, now that I'm talking to you, I'm like, I just want

565
00:34:39,136 --> 00:34:42,512
to take pictures that God darn honey bird. I just want to. Because Mickey memories.

566
00:34:42,568 --> 00:34:45,280
And when I'm old or something, I can look back and say, that's a BeAuTiful

567
00:34:45,312 --> 00:34:48,312
picture of THat HummingBird. And I can. Maybe somebody else might want to buy it.

568
00:34:48,328 --> 00:34:51,600
I mean, if you do take a photo of it, please let me see. Because

569
00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:54,712
I'm all for WIldlife photography. It's one of my favorite genres of

570
00:34:54,728 --> 00:34:58,504
photography. Yes.

571
00:34:58,544 --> 00:35:00,904
And then maybe you can critique and let me know what I can do better

572
00:35:00,944 --> 00:35:04,792
and stuff, too, because I'm still learning. The photography thing is kind of new to

573
00:35:04,808 --> 00:35:08,324
me. I know how to edit pictures and stuff, but I'm like, oh,

574
00:35:08,404 --> 00:35:12,252
so just. I'm gonna start. Yeah. Well, if it helps, it's still quite new to

575
00:35:12,268 --> 00:35:15,636
me, to be honest. I mean, I only took it seriously late last year,

576
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:19,500
but since doing that, my progress has been exponential. I've

577
00:35:19,532 --> 00:35:22,932
learned. I've read quite a lot about it, watched so many YouTube videos,

578
00:35:22,988 --> 00:35:26,780
and. But I do think the most important thing,

579
00:35:26,972 --> 00:35:30,444
I guess, this applies to any art form, is just to kind of

580
00:35:30,484 --> 00:35:34,300
experiment with it with photography, you know, this is just like a joke, general

581
00:35:34,372 --> 00:35:38,020
thing. Go out and take photos. Don't sit at home. Go

582
00:35:38,052 --> 00:35:41,772
out and look at the things that you find interesting. In your case, it

583
00:35:41,788 --> 00:35:45,620
could be hummingbirds. Just go and watch them and see

584
00:35:45,652 --> 00:35:49,292
what they do. And hopefully, when you go out

585
00:35:49,308 --> 00:35:52,588
again sometime, you have a camera with you, and you might capture a special moment

586
00:35:52,636 --> 00:35:56,224
that you wouldn't have had you not had that camera.

587
00:35:59,424 --> 00:36:03,120
That is so true. I love it. I love it. And what's the saying

588
00:36:03,192 --> 00:36:06,968
or quoting? Oh, that's a good one. So I don't know if this is someone

589
00:36:07,016 --> 00:36:10,736
else's motto that I've kind of copied without even realizing.

590
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,304
But one thing I try to think of sometimes is about embracing

591
00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:18,152
imperfection. And I'm saying that as a perfectionist as well, which

592
00:36:18,168 --> 00:36:21,800
is ironic. But I think sometimes we

593
00:36:21,832 --> 00:36:25,656
try to make things too perfect and we take away the human element of

594
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,494
it. And I think sometimes we need to kind of let go of mistakes

595
00:36:29,614 --> 00:36:33,262
or, well, quotations mistakes, because

596
00:36:33,398 --> 00:36:37,234
they're not necessarily mistakes. They could just be points of interest.

597
00:36:41,334 --> 00:36:45,022
Oh, now that was so cool. That's a sound

598
00:36:45,078 --> 00:36:46,754
like everywhere.

599
00:36:49,654 --> 00:36:52,898
I love that. I love that because they're in the age of

600
00:36:52,946 --> 00:36:56,454
perfectionism. Perfectionism. And sometimes I feel like I'm

601
00:36:57,114 --> 00:37:00,346
kind of in the middle. Like I'm not so much perfect, but I'm like, if

602
00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:02,826
I don't do this, then it won't be done because I'll sit there and overthink

603
00:37:02,850 --> 00:37:06,562
it as a scorpio. So I'm like, oh, I got to do this anyway, so

604
00:37:06,578 --> 00:37:09,542
I'm happy you said that. So. Yeah, well, I think what they're going. To do,

605
00:37:09,548 --> 00:37:13,330
one of the major downfalls of perfectionism, and I can say this from experience,

606
00:37:13,442 --> 00:37:17,082
is if it gets or if you let it take control, you just

607
00:37:17,098 --> 00:37:20,926
don't do anything at all. And then your art suffers because of that.

608
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:24,718
I would rather have, let's say, 50 photos

609
00:37:24,766 --> 00:37:28,430
where there's some kind of thing that could be improved in it than

610
00:37:28,462 --> 00:37:32,150
no photos at all. Because at least then I'm probably still going to be

611
00:37:32,182 --> 00:37:35,766
improving. So I'm still taking the photos. I'm not sort of

612
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:36,714
standing still.

613
00:37:41,174 --> 00:37:44,908
Yes, not standing still. I love it. I love it. So I want

614
00:37:44,916 --> 00:37:47,904
to thank you for coming on today. I mean,

615
00:37:48,444 --> 00:37:51,744
this was just a great conversation. And

616
00:37:52,844 --> 00:37:56,188
also, oh, I got your link anyway, so I'll share your link to the, to

617
00:37:56,196 --> 00:37:59,988
the fans if you have a new. Yeah, sure. So I think I

618
00:37:59,996 --> 00:38:03,100
don't have a new website that's coming up, but I think one thing I would

619
00:38:03,132 --> 00:38:06,908
say, or two things actually, is keep an eye out on

620
00:38:06,956 --> 00:38:10,504
Atmos productions because in the next

621
00:38:10,624 --> 00:38:13,944
couple of months, hopefully sooner, my new store will be

622
00:38:13,984 --> 00:38:17,564
operational and hopefully there'll be some prints on there.

623
00:38:18,224 --> 00:38:21,896
So I'm very, very much looking forward to sharing that, finally.

624
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,364
I've been doing a lot of work in the background for that.

625
00:38:26,544 --> 00:38:29,808
Nice. I love it. There you have it. And I'll also add that in the

626
00:38:29,816 --> 00:38:33,312
show notes. Y'all. See if you didn't catch that. And I want to thank

627
00:38:33,368 --> 00:38:36,996
everyone for rocking with me. Please subscribe, thrive and share. And I

628
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:40,224
appreciate it and stay safe out there. Peace, everybody.

629
00:38:40,804 --> 00:38:41,244
Thank you.