Unveiling the Secrets of Writing Success with Tash Doherty

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Okay, what's up, everybody? It's your girl, Sequoia Blue.

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We're back in here with another episode on this beautiful Thursday.

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And today's guest is Tosh DeHarty, and she's a writer, author, and an advocate, okay?

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And I'm telling you, her story seemed interesting.

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I didn't get a chance to read your books yet, but I definitely will get into

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it because I read, I'm a reader, and I read a lot of books, favorite authors like Walter Mosley.

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I can't remember everybody right now Eric Jerome Dickey rest

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in peace and Judy Blume she she did a book

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call forever which made me think about you when I was when

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I was like looking up your stuff I was like oh that's interesting

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the teen the teen love vibe what made

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what made you want to get into writing at 14 at that yeah well thank you so

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much for having me Sequoia I'm super grateful to be here yeah it was been a

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while ago now but actually when I was in high school my English teacher told

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me that this other girl who was a couple of years older than me had like written

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and published a novel in a single summer.

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You know, when kids were on summer break, this girl had like gone and written

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in her first novel and then gotten it published. And I was like,

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oh, how difficult could that be?

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You know, so I actually like sat down and started writing and my family and

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friends can tell you that I spent the next seven summers actually writing that exact same book.

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So yeah, it took me a lot longer than I thought it was going to take,

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but I'm super grateful and glad and how everything came out in the end.

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I ended up publishing it when I was like 28. So it took me like 14 years on

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and off so much longer than just the one year that started out.

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But I think, you know, when you're like excited about a creative project,

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you need some of that naivety sometimes.

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Because like, I don't know if I had known that it was going to take me 14 years

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if I would have gotten that stuck into writing my novels. So...

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Yeah that was it really oh that's that's

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so interesting I mean at 14 like what gave

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you the confidence to even say let me write this because

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I know at 14 I'm like so nervous I

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don't know I want to hide and yeah well I'm

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getting this original drafts and stuff it was like I'm

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still learning how to type when I was 14 you know

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like you're not like fully literate you haven't gone to college or anything

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so it was like I was learning how to type as well as how

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to write at the same time so yeah I wouldn't say any

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of my stuff when I was 14 was any good but over time I

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think the thing that it did teach me was discipline right and like

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you definitely need discipline if you're going to write a book and just

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enjoying it and like getting into it and stuff too so I think it's also difficult

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because I had so many every single year I would be like this is the year I'm

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going to publish it this is the year and sometimes you just have to like embrace

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that creative process you know it's going to take a lot longer than you think

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and not beat yourself up if it takes you five years versus like you know the

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two years or whatever that you've planned.

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So yeah, I think you have to just it really taught me a lot about how to be

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like kind to myself during the whole process and just focus on like improving

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the book over time and like and writing something better every single day when you sit down.

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So it's a very different, you know, idea or mindset as like freaking yourself

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out and being like, I need to finish this book on this day. You know,

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it's a it's a thing that evolves.

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It's a living organism. Yeah.

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Oh, man, I love how you said that yes it involves I

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mean I think you know I wrote my first book I was like 19 years

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old and I'm just kind of I don't know I

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I wasn't a good writer neither and I

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had at that time I had went to college for one year and then I

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didn't finish that first school and I just I didn't

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know about editing I there's a difference between writing and

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just writing it out writing it out and editing and

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making sure the sentences go together and they're structured properly

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and I just didn't i didn't know about

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all that so those are that's something i've learned

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and now i do get an editor even though

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because to me even if you went to school for it or whatever it's just some people

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are more it's just they got the ginsay or they got that vibe where they could

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just put things together better in a way so i was like man after that things

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you know it just got better and so So, yeah, I mean.

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When you decided to publish your book at 28, like, did you get an editor or

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did you just say, you know what, I'm a gangster? I got this.

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Yeah, I think I spent a lot of money on my book, you know, like I had a couple

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of different rounds of developmental editors.

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So they were people who were helping me with the storyline and just,

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you know, my my writing style in general.

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I had a really great copy editor called Patricia.

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Unfortunately she ended up going back to working at penguin random house so

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she was my like super legit like line by line line edits at the end there and

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that really really helped me to like really think of it as like a real book and she was like

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She was amazing. I really wanted to work with her again for my second book,

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which I'm writing right now.

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But yeah, then I had like the developmental editors, as I was mentioning,

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I also had lots of rounds of beta readers.

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So this was people in my target audience, who I thought would like the book,

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and then I paid them to read it and critique it.

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And then that's how the book really got a lot better.

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So I recommend like a couple rounds of beta reading, at least for any kind of like novel project,

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because the feedback and the insights that they'll give you will make

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the story so much stronger and yeah we

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were talking about ai art like a little bit earlier and i

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did actually end up using ai art for the cover because i

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i do feel bad about this i recently watched this tiktok where

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this girl was like if you use ai for your book or

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ai art to fit to make your book cover then like either

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you clearly just wrote your book using ai or your

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writing is trash and it like just oh no

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yeah she was like so it was like such a mean kind

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of like i don't get the hate with ai yeah it's

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gonna come full speed like a train and it's not

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gonna go anywhere people have been stealing stuff

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way before ai came and i'm not saying it's right and it's

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right now but it's just it's still gonna be different

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anyway because even if it took pieces from mozart it's still yours it's still

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gonna be your creation because i could go look at mozart right now and copy

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you could copy and like especially my mother she knows how to copy a painting

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she can literally copy it And so she could copy the painting and change it on hand.

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She can do it. And a lot of people have been doing it before time.

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It just doesn't look like the original because you warped it up. And that's AI art.

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So I don't get the hate. I think people are jealous because they don't know how to prompt.

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I mean prompting and then also like

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she said she was like okay well if you used ai to like make

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your book then you're writing as trash and i was just like i've spent 14

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years writing this book like i'm pretty sure i've had multiple people

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read it like i really tried to write the best book that i could and

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like i don't know even just her saying that i was like that's i

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really like it rubbed me the wrong way i was like oh no and then

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i sat there and had a big existential thought for a

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second but overall it was like it was fine i was just like whatever

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gonna move on from that haters gonna hate you know yeah yep

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yep because and that's the work of

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an artist you know we're gonna get critiqued exactly

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and i think ultimately like you have to be in the arena with

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people who you respect you know and if somebody that i really respected

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was like hey this is not good or you should

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improve this or like this is ethical or whatever

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you know i would totally i would listen to those people but this

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girl was like a gamer and like i don't know if she actually writes

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or she just reads books yeah so but

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it was working she got she got a lot of attention about talking about

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it on tiktok so yeah see and that's the

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thing bad attention could be good attention too and i think that's the that

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people forget that it's like yeah you're you're trying to bring me down but

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you're getting people to want to know what's so bad about me so then they're

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coming to see so that that actually is sometimes a blessing in disguise because

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hey at least you noticeable so So yeah, it's a good thing. Exactly.

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Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. I was going to say, so you seem to have a popular

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newsletter called Miseducated, huh?

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Yes, I do. And I've recently started writing a smaller section on that.

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It's called the sex report.

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And so what I'm doing with that is I'm taking primary research studies published

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by different psychologists and scientists, and then applying them to my daily life.

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So in terms of sex specifically, and body positivity, those kinds of things.

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So it's, it's fun for me, because I'm a pretty like curious person.

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And I like I'm quite a data nerd as well. That's what I've done in my job.

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So I'm basically, yeah, trying to make the science like more accessible and

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funny. and then relating it to personal experiences.

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Because, for example, in my piece, which is called How to Achieve Orgasm Equality,

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that's my most popular article that I've ever written. It's about how to give females more orgasms.

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And basically, I quote a bunch of people in that study, and they're like,

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oh, you know, 65% of the time, a female will have an orgasm and a sexual encounter with a man.

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And I'm like, 65% of the time? Like, that sounds incredibly high.

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I would say that's way higher than what me and my friends are going through, right?

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So it's one thing to have these scientific studies to try and understand sexuality

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or the human experience more, but then to really relate it to my personal experience

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and be like, actually, anecdotally, this is true or this isn't true and just being open about that.

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So that's what I'm kind of exploring and having fun with right now on my blog.

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And the goal of Miseducated is to help the world be shamelessly sexy.

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So one day at a time. All right. One day at a time. Yeah.

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I like that. I always say, look, my little term now, shameless victory,

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because, you know, I think sometimes people are just always trying to hide and

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not talk about things because they're scared to talk about it.

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But these things is normal. We need to talk about it because sometimes somebody

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could get depressed and didn't know where to go to.

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And they're always on Reddit. I just got into Reddit maybe a year ago. All right.

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And that's interesting to me because they're all over the world.

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They're in UK where you are all over the place. And it's very interesting to

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see these stories, but they want to be anonymous.

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You don't know who it is. I think it's cool that you're like on Substack.

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You're like, hey, I'm Tosh, what's up? And you're like telling these stories.

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Because it just needs to be told and

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maybe teach women how to talk to their partners and

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it could give them tips and stuff because everybody might not can afford a

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sex consultant or whatever and you're teaching

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them these tips I mean yeah absolutely it's really

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fun thank you so much for saying that yeah and like I actually am

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a huge fan of Reddit as well but I think it's I would love we

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should definitely like try about that but yeah the goal with

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the specifically I wrote an article recently called how to be shamelessly

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sexy and there's three different components of it is

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one you have to just explore and discover what it

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is that you like whether it's like in the bedroom or like romantically whatever

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then the second part is really believing you know as a female that you deserve

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what you want right like you are entitled to this thing which is like your desires

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your fantasies etc and then the third thing is asking for what you want so asking

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and communicating with your partner like hey i want to try this thing and if

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they're not willing to you know,

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meet you where you are or meet your needs, then you might need to find another

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partner who might be more willing to do that. So that's real.

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And anyway, so there's a lot that we can like unpack within each of those.

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But those are some of my favorite parts of it. And, and one of the tools that

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I have in the exploring and self discovery part at the beginning is sex journaling.

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So it's about using a journal, you know, that you might have in your house,

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your own special book, whatever that you don't have to show anyone else,

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you could show your partner if you want to.

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But writing about all the different romantic experiences that

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you've had and like saying that it's not I mean especially especially

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for women sexuality is not just like you know the size of

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the d or whatever it's like there's so many different aspects

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that go into it right like did you have dinner before how are

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you feeling were you wearing a pattern that you liked you know

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what was the environment like had you been building up to this

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specific moment with a lot of anticipation so

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that's what I kind of like to help people explore and I

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think sex journaling is a really interesting way to do that and i i

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like to say that my sex journal is my blog itself you know

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like i put my name on everything because i think it's important to have

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like a real human face behind all of these things um

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but then that's when i i developed the sex journaling

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tools so people can do it in the privacy of their own homes and they don't have

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to like publish about it you know on the internet so yeah yeah i like that you

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know because there's the journal industry is getting so popular we're just talking

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about your feelings but we didn't we didn't add in the sex journal i I mean,

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I think that's amazing. And it will be different.

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Like, what is it that you're seeking? What are you looking for? What are you into?

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You know, and like I said, I don't shame anyone. I'm someone that's like,

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do your thing, just protect yourself, you know, because I think that life is

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short and you have to figure out what's best for you.

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And I do think there's some people that might turn asexual or,

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I mean, I don't think they turn asexual.

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I think sometimes people get so stressed out, especially during this time,

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or women more so than men, where they just close up.

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They don't they can't even it take a dang on champion to

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pull something out you know and like you

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said it's the it's the the the process to get to the moment you know that woman

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particularly likes the roses like a nice dinner and then wants her feet rubbed

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and then you know sensual kisses or whatever it is like those are things that

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that's what i think people need

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to talk about the first date really the reason why i say that is because.

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Because if you talk about it on the first or second date, you can just cut it.

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Your emotions don't get attached. If you realize that you're not sexually compatible, you can just get out.

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Totally. And then you know what you want. So you can be like,

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hey, are you interested in doing XYZ?

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You know, like whatever it might be. And if this guy is like,

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oh, no, I've never do that. And you're like, okay, cool. Guess I'll find somebody else.

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We have a lot of offices. So it's like, I think that's the benefit of it as well.

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And I don't know. it's like maybe finding other people who

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also have these kings and interests and but yeah

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that's really what I tried I like what you said like the shameless victory aspect of

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it as well because also just celebrating like when you do have a positive dating

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experience and saying like what did you like about this person like you know

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was it the way that they treated you or like the text that they sent you in

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the morning or whatever it was you know I think there's a whole it's such a

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beautiful and like complex thing when it comes to female sexuality so that's

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why I find it this like of, you know,

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never ending, interesting and curious topic for me to explore.

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And yeah, the goal with Miseducated now is, yeah, turning from the science to the sex.

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So it's bringing in like these primary research studies that I'm just,

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I just read and I find on the internet.

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And one that I'm working on right now actually is by this, I found it on this woman, Dr.

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Sarah Hill's website. She's a psychology professor at the University of Texas,

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Texas Christian University.

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And basically they studied like whether people.

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If you're going on a date and if this partner like tries new

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and exotic foods if that changes your perception of

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them and basically they found that people are more

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likely to consider that your potential mate as like adventurous

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like sexually open and less basically

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you're less likely to feel like sexual disgust if you

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if you're the kind of person who's into this you know because if this guy orders

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like something really random and weird off the menu then

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maybe he would be like open to doing random weird

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stuff with you you know at the same time so anyway

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that's like that's what i'm exploring right now and i'm about

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to publish that newsletter tomorrow so yeah summarizing okay

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i'm gonna have to subscribe i mean yeah exactly have

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you had some experience real no i mean

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i know that was it the uh uh the aphrodisiac

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with the uh what is it the what is it called yeah the

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oysters yeah they say that you know it's like it gets you hot

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and going to stuff and then it's also you kind of out of the box because you

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like to eat raw oysters and stuff like that but it

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does make sense because everything like matters

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how someone is how they eat the what what they talk

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about what they read about all that connects

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it says a lot about them and and so it like you have a very you very emotionally

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intelligent so that's the thing too that and and some women are still trying

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to figure it out and trying to you know and that's the thing so somebody might

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not be able to tell like you're reading about this and I like that but some

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people ain't reading and then.

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They go out here in these streets and they just like oh cute he got money or

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you know whatever and then you end up and you would you would have with the right one and so I think.

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I think that's interesting because that's what made me create my

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card game was because of that when i realized there's certain things

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that need to be asked it you know and then based off

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how they answer if they screaming and

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going moving all the place what's

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going on and so that's why i did it

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and because and so i'm kind of similar to

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you in that aspect when it comes to relationships because it's almost

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like a psychological thing and it works.

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I mean did you you know you would think that people try to lie

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and stuff but you can if you are like you'll pick

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up on the cues but if you are someone that pays attention you'd

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be like oh he he's trying to lie you know he knows about

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that question and no one's trying to judge you we just

00:18:44.875 --> 00:18:47.955
want to know why you ain't answer it what's wrong with you because

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if one of the questions are you bisexual can you why can't you

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answer if you bisexual and i actually had one guy say on a

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date that he was curious about how would it be with

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sleep one other men he said he was actually curious he never

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did it but he said was curious and i was shocked i was like

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oh he told the truth like but and that was just my

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test before the game even launched it was just me a piece

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of paper and i realized it works because

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then i'd be personally i couldn't date a bisexual guy

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but someone else that don't mind it at least they know

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at least they can move accordingly and so

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those are the things and then you know some question have you ever had threesome

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stuff like that just gauging you and so it just

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reminded me of the of my game when you're seeing all this stuff and

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even though it could be uncomfortable I think sometimes the

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uncomfortable has to be said because then and

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it's like because you have to know if that person's on your intelligence level

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and not saying they can't get intelligent but you take the emotional intelligence

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to know how to to satisfy someone especially you're you saying in your article

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that hey you know what what women when the woman tells the man what she wants this stuff.

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Come on now, it takes a certain type of man to understand what she's saying

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and to really do the work. And I think that's.

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That's one of the things because there's so

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many blogs there's so many podcasts out now just down and women

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and men and nobody want to date no more I'm alone and no you

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just need to talk and sit down and stop being scary and tell the truth yeah

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and also you can find your person yeah and

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that's what I love about your game as well is that like if it's this offline

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activity that you can do together it just requires like

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so much vulnerability and like I also go to bars and

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stuff and I'm like I'll sit there with my headphones in at the bar and

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be like not as approachable you know like we're all on our phones

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all the time we're all in our devices and stuff

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and like so going back to the analog of like.

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Sitting down and saying hello to a person that is

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scary like it is you know yes i

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mean you just have to put yourself out in those uncomfortable positions

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and i've been thinking about it a lot a lot recently because i'm i've

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been going to bed like earlier you know so i can wake up and like

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play pickleball or go for a run or whatever with my friends

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and i think sometimes you have to just like stay

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out you know like you have to stay out for the night because that's

00:21:00.297 --> 00:21:04.177
when things happen you know people

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have a couple of drinks like you get in the groove and I

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think even you know as much as I try to be shamelessly sexy in my own life I

00:21:12.037 --> 00:21:15.257
really think that a lot of the times I'm dealing with my head instead of my

00:21:15.257 --> 00:21:18.297
heart you know and I think like a lot of the times we need to get back into

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our emotional our feelings and our bodies and and just having fun and not thinking

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about like all the emails that I have to answer and all of the, you know.

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You feel disconnected from that, I think sometimes. So yeah,

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that's another aspect of it.

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I totally agree with that. Yeah. Cause I mean, just getting off. Yes.

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Because I mean, I think that I do think about work a lot and then I'm just like

00:21:42.429 --> 00:21:45.729
off track and I'm not, I can't see that chair or I can't see that,

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you know, it's like, and that's why I podcast.

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Cause it helps me ground myself.

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You know, like some people were like, Oh, you know, people do it for the money or whatever.

00:21:54.629 --> 00:21:59.429
I try to get the money, but I'm, it helps me ground myself because I I'm touching the.

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I'm touching something and I feel like I'm talking and it's not so much about hustle,

00:22:03.689 --> 00:22:06.809
survive do this and that and I think that that that just

00:22:06.809 --> 00:22:09.889
messes up you know like I said the the sexual side you

00:22:09.889 --> 00:22:14.109
know when when when especially for women that want to it's I

00:22:14.109 --> 00:22:17.109
think it messes it up yeah exactly I

00:22:17.109 --> 00:22:19.789
think we're just we're very complex characters and I think that's what's so.

00:22:19.789 --> 00:22:22.669
Fun about it and and it's a landscape that can ever be

00:22:22.669 --> 00:22:25.469
changing you know and I think just focusing on that

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journaling aspect you know taking an experience that you had whether it

00:22:28.249 --> 00:22:31.069
was your first time or you know your best time your

00:22:31.069 --> 00:22:34.169
worst time your most fun summer loving time like there is

00:22:34.169 --> 00:22:37.049
just so much you know beautiful rich details and

00:22:37.049 --> 00:22:40.069
parts of these experiences and I've at least seen

00:22:40.069 --> 00:22:42.829
the benefits in my own life because now I can like you know hook

00:22:42.829 --> 00:22:46.189
up with somebody and I can be like hey I like this this and this and you

00:22:46.189 --> 00:22:48.989
know I hope that you're down for that too and a lot of the times they're

00:22:48.989 --> 00:22:51.709
like also open to that as well but I think you have to

00:22:51.709 --> 00:22:54.869
also know what like pleases you both physically emotionally

00:22:54.869 --> 00:22:57.769
and all of that because otherwise you can't expect your partner that

00:22:57.769 --> 00:23:00.549
also give you what you need so it's a lot

00:23:00.549 --> 00:23:03.469
of uh yeah and I try to just be very honest

00:23:03.469 --> 00:23:06.189
about like I constantly not constantly talking about how much

00:23:06.189 --> 00:23:08.949
like I like butt stuff but I'll mention it in my articles because I'm

00:23:08.949 --> 00:23:11.629
just like well yeah if you want if the guy wants to

00:23:11.629 --> 00:23:14.589
make me orgasm just like a little bit of butt stuff and I'm like good you know

00:23:14.589 --> 00:23:18.489
but like that's something that I mean not many people feel comfortable saying

00:23:18.489 --> 00:23:22.809
about yeah yeah because it's like that's the way that I've discovered you know

00:23:22.809 --> 00:23:26.669
with my previous partners that helps me to have pleasure and I'm very happy

00:23:26.669 --> 00:23:30.509
to be the person who puts their name and the face of the blog and just say like, Hey.

00:23:30.649 --> 00:23:33.469
This, these are my like full human experiences. And like,

00:23:33.800 --> 00:23:37.620
I just encourage people to, like, explore, you know, as much as they can and,

00:23:37.700 --> 00:23:41.260
like, enjoy this beautiful life that we all have and finding a partner that

00:23:41.260 --> 00:23:43.540
you like. And, you know, it's a beautiful journey.

00:23:44.540 --> 00:23:47.980
Yeah, I mean, life is short. And, you know, I was listening to Michelle Obama's

00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:52.460
podcast the other day and she mentioned that she told her daughters that some,

00:23:52.460 --> 00:23:55.460
she told them that some women will end up alone.

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Like, and it's a possibility that her daughter, that she told them that they could end up alone.

00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:02.740
And I found that to be interesting. I think it's some women,

00:24:03.100 --> 00:24:06.840
you know, they're always like, get married, get the dog, get the fence or whatever. I don't know.

00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:10.600
And it's like, it's a possibility. What if it doesn't happen?

00:24:11.080 --> 00:24:15.760
You know, what if you end up alone? Can women handle that?

00:24:16.320 --> 00:24:20.020
Totally. I mean, my grandma is still alive. She's like 88 years old and she's

00:24:20.020 --> 00:24:23.360
like bedridden. But I still call her on FaceTime like a couple of times a week.

00:24:23.540 --> 00:24:26.280
And honestly, I'm really surprised that she had children.

00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:29.500
Like, I think if you look back, there's so many as recently as two,

00:24:29.620 --> 00:24:33.160
three generations ago, Like a lot of these women just wanted to be free, right?

00:24:33.260 --> 00:24:36.660
They wanted to maybe get educated, have their own lives, have their own careers.

00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:40.400
But for a lot of societal impediments, you know, a lot of oppression,

00:24:40.620 --> 00:24:42.500
like they weren't able to do that.

00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:46.720
And so, yeah, I'm obviously grateful that she did have children because otherwise I wouldn't be alive.

00:24:47.060 --> 00:24:50.920
But looking at her personality, I'm like, goodness, woman, why did you ever

00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:51.860
get married and have children?

00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.780
Like you would have been so much happier, you know, if you'd just been able to be free and be alone.

00:24:56.420 --> 00:24:59.500
So, yeah. and i think the real at least for me personally like

00:24:59.500 --> 00:25:02.300
the it really comes down to whether or not i want to have children or not

00:25:02.300 --> 00:25:05.100
like i personally have i'm 30 years old and i've spent most of

00:25:05.100 --> 00:25:08.140
my 20s out not in a relationship at all and i've been perfectly happy

00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:10.820
with that but suddenly it's like oh well if i do want to

00:25:10.820 --> 00:25:14.800
like reproduce i might need to find a partner to do that you know and that's

00:25:14.800 --> 00:25:20.080
really it at this point apart from that i'm pretty happy being alone yeah or

00:25:20.080 --> 00:25:24.580
you can do like what this one lady did she got her eggs frozen and then she

00:25:24.580 --> 00:25:29.220
had somebody else carry the her baby and she ended up.

00:25:29.749 --> 00:25:34.529
Being okay and just being a single mom, but you know, some people don't like

00:25:34.529 --> 00:25:37.709
that, you know, but I think that, I think it's okay too.

00:25:37.929 --> 00:25:40.489
I mean, I think that, you know, if you do have a son, the son,

00:25:40.669 --> 00:25:44.749
you can put your son in camps to find a father figure or whatever the case is.

00:25:44.849 --> 00:25:48.289
But yeah, I think those are options too, because the way the economy's going,

00:25:48.469 --> 00:25:51.629
there's less people having, I mean, less ladies having kids now.

00:25:51.829 --> 00:25:54.089
So it's, it's, it's changing.

00:25:54.429 --> 00:25:57.229
I mean, everything so much and then like it takes

00:25:57.229 --> 00:25:59.929
a while to get to the bag you know get it the way you wanted to

00:25:59.929 --> 00:26:02.609
get it you ain't even get to live yet you want to travel you want

00:26:02.609 --> 00:26:05.309
to do all this stuff like because there's so much i want to do i said i don't think

00:26:05.309 --> 00:26:07.949
i'm gonna have kids be honest because yeah i want to

00:26:07.949 --> 00:26:10.749
i just so much i want to do i haven't done yet like i want to

00:26:10.749 --> 00:26:13.509
travel the world i want to go to brazil i want to eat great food i want to

00:26:13.509 --> 00:26:16.249
it's just too much to do i want to read books in other

00:26:16.249 --> 00:26:19.089
countries and it's it's so it's

00:26:19.089 --> 00:26:22.009
one of those things yeah i totally agree

00:26:22.009 --> 00:26:25.669
it's it's very tempting and like you know it's it's

00:26:25.669 --> 00:26:28.469
just so expensive i don't even know how people can afford

00:26:28.469 --> 00:26:31.269
it honestly me neither i also

00:26:31.269 --> 00:26:33.969
it's just like i think i'm so grateful like you know to

00:26:33.969 --> 00:26:36.809
have enough right i think that's also the most important thing is

00:26:36.809 --> 00:26:39.809
knowing what is enough for you like again you're like you

00:26:39.809 --> 00:26:42.769
want to be in brazil reading a book on a beach like that is it's

00:26:42.769 --> 00:26:45.969
expensive to have that kind of lifestyle but like maybe it's

00:26:45.969 --> 00:26:48.689
a few thousand bucks and then you go do that and then

00:26:48.689 --> 00:26:51.549
that's your sense of enough you know and then you can be super

00:26:51.549 --> 00:26:54.549
happy and fulfilled doing that so i think that's one of the very important

00:26:54.549 --> 00:26:57.289
thing because you know especially like being women it's like

00:26:57.289 --> 00:27:00.389
you can still we're still not like pay parity or

00:27:00.389 --> 00:27:04.689
making as much money as men or other you know other people whatever but ultimately

00:27:04.689 --> 00:27:08.569
if you just have enough money to say like i don't need to go out with this guy

00:27:08.569 --> 00:27:17.349
i can buy my own dinner buy myself flowers miley cyrus style buy my own you know that's good.

00:27:18.631 --> 00:27:22.711
I think that's true, the defining your success, because $500,000 a year for

00:27:22.711 --> 00:27:24.991
a single person, to me, you can live that lifestyle.

00:27:25.211 --> 00:27:28.211
Like, you don't have to be a millionaire. You can make $500,000 a year and be

00:27:28.211 --> 00:27:30.831
like, yeah, and it's okay.

00:27:31.051 --> 00:27:33.471
And that's the thing that people don't get, you know?

00:27:33.791 --> 00:27:38.271
So, I mean, but yeah, so you have another book that you're working on.

00:27:38.671 --> 00:27:42.151
Let's talk about that. What's the title and what's it about?

00:27:42.691 --> 00:27:46.811
I actually don't have a title for it yet, but it's a summer love story.

00:27:46.811 --> 00:27:49.971
So the the whole story is that this

00:27:49.971 --> 00:27:53.051
girl goes to a lake she's kind of been rejected by all

00:27:53.051 --> 00:27:55.971
her universities so she's gonna have to take a gap year reapply to college

00:27:55.971 --> 00:27:58.891
like it's a big it's a big thing for her while all her other fancy friends

00:27:58.891 --> 00:28:01.611
are like going to colleges that she wants to go to and she goes

00:28:01.611 --> 00:28:04.511
to this lake where she's terrible at you know cleaning the

00:28:04.511 --> 00:28:07.231
toilets and cleaning the cabins and everything but then she

00:28:07.231 --> 00:28:10.051
meets a guy there called blake who's just

00:28:10.051 --> 00:28:12.871
a guest he's like staying at the at the hotel that she's

00:28:12.871 --> 00:28:15.911
working at this lake and they have like a beautiful summer

00:28:15.911 --> 00:28:18.831
a whirlwind love story and then the question really

00:28:18.831 --> 00:28:21.511
is like once they part ways you know

00:28:21.511 --> 00:28:24.271
she lives in she moves to america he lives in

00:28:24.271 --> 00:28:27.171
california but like they live on different sides of the country

00:28:27.171 --> 00:28:30.231
and the question that really comes up is is love enough you

00:28:30.231 --> 00:28:33.051
know so they so the second half of the book is they meet up like five years

00:28:33.051 --> 00:28:36.111
later and then you get to see whether or not their love story lasts.

00:28:36.111 --> 00:28:38.891
So it's uh it's a

00:28:38.891 --> 00:28:41.971
lot of spice it's a it's a strong i would say strong spicy

00:28:41.971 --> 00:28:44.691
summer romance so it's like that beautiful you know if you

00:28:44.691 --> 00:28:47.331
have any like summer memories of just like at the

00:28:47.331 --> 00:28:50.871
lake or the beach or wherever in the forest yeah it's

00:28:50.871 --> 00:28:53.691
a lot of that it's a lot again i i like to go for like really

00:28:53.691 --> 00:28:56.631
nostalgic teen romance kind of stories that are

00:28:56.631 --> 00:29:00.091
just like coming of age so yeah i'm i'm

00:29:00.091 --> 00:29:03.591
like that yeah yeah that's it sounds like

00:29:03.591 --> 00:29:07.091
it could be a netflix show or movie i mean i hope

00:29:07.091 --> 00:29:09.851
so i mean that's what it sounds like yeah i tend

00:29:09.851 --> 00:29:12.551
to have more like feminist characters which is quite fun so like

00:29:12.551 --> 00:29:15.751
characters that really have some kind of goal either

00:29:15.751 --> 00:29:18.571
like in the business world or in the studies or

00:29:18.571 --> 00:29:21.511
something like that and then the male characters usually

00:29:21.511 --> 00:29:24.171
add something to those their lives you know that they

00:29:24.171 --> 00:29:27.031
wouldn't otherwise be able to see in the structure of like

00:29:27.031 --> 00:29:30.191
novels it's called a buddy love story so the the buddy helps

00:29:30.191 --> 00:29:33.951
the character to kind of evolve in their transformations and yeah

00:29:33.951 --> 00:29:36.811
it's a really it's a beautiful story i'm excited

00:29:36.811 --> 00:29:39.751
to keep writing it right now it's like over 120 000 words long

00:29:39.751 --> 00:29:42.371
so i'm gonna need to cut it down quite a bit and like you know

00:29:42.371 --> 00:29:45.471
get it all together but i'm really grateful i'm in a really amazing

00:29:45.471 --> 00:29:48.491
writing community called the london writers salon so

00:29:48.491 --> 00:29:51.171
i write really regularly with my community which is

00:29:51.171 --> 00:29:54.091
super fun yeah so i just you know you need you need others

00:29:54.091 --> 00:29:56.891
writers around you in order to like keep yourself motivated and keep

00:29:56.891 --> 00:30:01.331
going so yeah man you're right on that because i'm shit i'm definitely behind.

00:30:01.331 --> 00:30:07.591
I mean i mean i mean i got my my my short stories coming out soon like it's.

00:30:07.591 --> 00:30:09.411
A collection of short stories i wrote.

00:30:09.411 --> 00:30:14.171
It when i was 22 wow so i'm finally putting it out now this older age.

00:30:15.031 --> 00:30:18.671
Congratulations yeah yes i'm

00:30:18.671 --> 00:30:21.691
just like okay here i go so that's gonna be soon you

00:30:21.691 --> 00:30:24.491
know and it's it's just a bunch of different things you

00:30:24.491 --> 00:30:27.211
know different little stories and it wrote you could have

00:30:27.211 --> 00:30:30.791
some romance in there too and it's just it's exciting

00:30:30.791 --> 00:30:33.691
and i think you just inspired me to just keep writing and stuff

00:30:33.691 --> 00:30:36.931
and you're right just hanging around other writers and even if

00:30:36.931 --> 00:30:40.791
it's online and stuff like that it's important yeah well

00:30:40.791 --> 00:30:43.631
you're not behind you're exactly what you need to be right now and

00:30:43.631 --> 00:30:46.511
in your process and that's something that i always beat myself up about

00:30:46.511 --> 00:30:49.791
as well i was like i was supposed to have my draft done two months

00:30:49.791 --> 00:30:52.791
ago well you set that as an arbitrary deadline so you

00:30:52.791 --> 00:30:56.191
just need to stay motivated stay positive stay kind

00:30:56.191 --> 00:30:59.891
to yourself and keep going because you can do it for sure so yeah so do you

00:30:59.891 --> 00:31:03.851
believe do you believe everything happens for a reason or is it by choice like

00:31:03.851 --> 00:31:07.811
we we made that choice so it happened or what do you i don't believe that everything

00:31:07.811 --> 00:31:09.851
happens for a reason and i can go

00:31:09.851 --> 00:31:13.611
into a more dark and kind of a messed up story as to why I believe that.

00:31:13.891 --> 00:31:16.891
But basically, I just have a bunch of friends that have like really intense

00:31:16.891 --> 00:31:20.971
chronic illnesses, like good people who just suffer, like because of their health

00:31:20.971 --> 00:31:23.051
issues or whatever for like their whole lives.

00:31:23.231 --> 00:31:26.031
And I think for sure, you can learn something from a chronic illness.

00:31:26.171 --> 00:31:29.651
But sometimes there's a lot of just like completely needless suffering in the world.

00:31:29.731 --> 00:31:33.671
So that's why I'm not I do not believe actually that everything happens for a reason.

00:31:33.831 --> 00:31:37.511
But you can still I think learn a lot from all different kinds of things.

00:31:37.511 --> 00:31:39.851
And that is what the writing process is about.

00:31:40.051 --> 00:31:43.791
It's about learning about yourself over time and sticking with it and being

00:31:43.791 --> 00:31:46.591
patient with yourself, you know. So, yeah.

00:31:47.311 --> 00:31:50.251
Yeah, I totally agree with that. And I also do believe in some serendipity.

00:31:50.771 --> 00:31:54.551
Like I do believe that if you act, yeah, I like sometime I'll say,

00:31:54.951 --> 00:31:58.131
okay, I need to answer about this, this, that.

00:31:58.171 --> 00:32:02.391
And then a stranger could say it, give me the answer. And they don't know me.

00:32:02.571 --> 00:32:06.431
Like I could either be on a podcast or I could be watching a movie. I can listen to a song.

00:32:06.531 --> 00:32:09.671
I could be at work and someone says something that I needed to answer to.

00:32:09.791 --> 00:32:11.131
And I'm like, what the heck?

00:32:11.391 --> 00:32:14.991
And it happens more often than not. And I'm like, hmm.

00:32:16.075 --> 00:32:18.955
Yeah hmm so i think that's

00:32:18.955 --> 00:32:21.675
interesting being openness to open to those things is really

00:32:21.675 --> 00:32:24.695
fun and and interesting sometimes as well i might

00:32:24.695 --> 00:32:27.455
one of my friends gave me like a little handmade booklet and i

00:32:27.455 --> 00:32:30.195
like to use that to write questions when i go to bed so it

00:32:30.195 --> 00:32:32.875
could be like what am i doing next or like you know

00:32:32.875 --> 00:32:35.575
whatever it is and then i just put it and put it

00:32:35.575 --> 00:32:38.315
on my nightstand and then i go to bed and then i hope that that

00:32:38.315 --> 00:32:41.095
is answered you know some some way through the

00:32:41.095 --> 00:32:44.475
universe so i love it yeah

00:32:44.475 --> 00:32:47.235
i love it so before we close

00:32:47.235 --> 00:32:50.095
out i'm gonna i haven't done this in a while i haven't

00:32:50.095 --> 00:32:53.155
done the uh would you rather yet in a while it's been

00:32:53.155 --> 00:32:57.255
a long time but i have two would you rather questions and

00:32:57.255 --> 00:33:00.255
and you just tell me which one you would rather do so the

00:33:00.255 --> 00:33:03.515
first one is would you rather have your most embarrassing

00:33:03.515 --> 00:33:07.115
teenage diary entry go viral or

00:33:07.115 --> 00:33:10.495
let your ex write the foreword to

00:33:10.495 --> 00:33:16.035
your next book oh god I

00:33:16.035 --> 00:33:18.955
mean I will say as somebody who

00:33:18.955 --> 00:33:23.015
says it's devoting my life to helping others be shameless I think the viral

00:33:23.015 --> 00:33:27.855
teenage diary isn't it would actually work well in my favor because I mean I

00:33:27.855 --> 00:33:31.775
don't know what would be in there touch wood again we're tempting the universe

00:33:31.775 --> 00:33:36.095
but I create some pretty embarrassing stories and stuff already but maybe I

00:33:36.095 --> 00:33:38.275
should do more of that and actually make that a shtick,

00:33:38.435 --> 00:33:42.755
you know, with my TikTok content or something is writing about my most embarrassing memories.

00:33:43.675 --> 00:33:47.255
Oh, people love that because they'll relate and won't feel alone.

00:33:47.495 --> 00:33:51.015
So I like that. Exactly. So yeah, let me answer the question.

00:33:52.075 --> 00:33:56.675
Yes. Yes. No. Oh, what would I do? Yeah. What would you do? Yeah.

00:33:57.495 --> 00:34:02.415
I would, I would let my, you know what? I'll let my ex forward the next week.

00:34:04.003 --> 00:34:07.143
Let him do it i'll let him do it i mean

00:34:07.143 --> 00:34:10.283
because i just think that i want to see what he says because he

00:34:10.283 --> 00:34:13.163
knows i didn't do anything wrong so i think

00:34:13.163 --> 00:34:16.643
that i think it would be interesting to see what he says because i

00:34:16.643 --> 00:34:19.283
don't think i want i don't think i want people to know what i

00:34:19.283 --> 00:34:22.223
did y'all are so stupid i mean i wasn't stupid

00:34:22.223 --> 00:34:25.383
oh actually i can

00:34:25.383 --> 00:34:28.883
think of something really gross yeah and weird that i did in my teenage years

00:34:28.883 --> 00:34:32.603
that i probably wouldn't want published on the there but you know what the fact

00:34:32.603 --> 00:34:35.523
that you would want your ex to write your forward that's a i think that's a

00:34:35.523 --> 00:34:38.663
green flag you know i think i think it's important that we speak well of our

00:34:38.663 --> 00:34:43.223
ex partners right like probably decent person you know somebody that you were aware.

00:34:46.883 --> 00:34:49.763
Yeah he wasn't a he wasn't a good guy

00:34:49.763 --> 00:34:52.683
you know as far as you know i think he could he had

00:34:52.683 --> 00:34:55.443
it in him but he just he wasn't right he had some

00:34:55.443 --> 00:34:58.243
demons he has to work on and that's and that's something

00:34:58.243 --> 00:35:01.163
he new and and that's something he has to do but

00:35:01.163 --> 00:35:04.143
i think that if he did say something spicy about

00:35:04.143 --> 00:35:07.403
me it won't be as bad as my team it won't

00:35:07.403 --> 00:35:10.023
be as bad whatever he got to say about me it won't

00:35:10.023 --> 00:35:14.403
be in bed i'm like i don't want nobody it's funny

00:35:14.403 --> 00:35:17.783
okay here's the second one would you

00:35:17.783 --> 00:35:20.883
rather be stuck in a rom-com set in

00:35:20.883 --> 00:35:24.103
the london underground or a steamy

00:35:24.103 --> 00:35:27.323
drama set in a mexican beach town

00:35:27.323 --> 00:35:30.083
but you have to write your way out of it to

00:35:30.083 --> 00:35:33.763
escape oh you know

00:35:33.763 --> 00:35:36.623
what like i don't really like the beach i

00:35:36.623 --> 00:35:39.483
know that sounds ridiculous but the in mexico the beaches are

00:35:39.483 --> 00:35:42.243
so humid and hot i would like definitely write my

00:35:42.243 --> 00:35:46.563
way out of there faster i think than being on the london underground but maybe

00:35:46.563 --> 00:35:49.783
mexico because i i've been living in mexico for three years now and i've been

00:35:49.783 --> 00:35:53.463
wanting to write more about mexico so oh i think this could maybe be a good

00:35:53.463 --> 00:35:58.003
chance for me to start a new steamy whatever rom-com situation that I have to

00:35:58.003 --> 00:36:00.743
get out of on a beach. So I'll choose that one.

00:36:01.501 --> 00:36:06.161
Oh, right. Yeah, I think that I'll probably choose that too, honestly.

00:36:07.041 --> 00:36:10.541
Yeah, I would choose that because I haven't watched so many movies.

00:36:11.321 --> 00:36:16.101
But like being on the subway, it's like the London tube is a little bit stuffy sometimes.

00:36:16.401 --> 00:36:19.681
And also if you're underground, I don't know how long I would realistically want to stay down there.

00:36:20.141 --> 00:36:25.441
You know, so yeah, that's what I was thinking anyway. But I love these questions. It's so funny.

00:36:25.721 --> 00:36:28.401
Yeah, thank you for sharing them. Yeah, I was like, I just started back.

00:36:28.581 --> 00:36:30.061
I haven't done it in a minute. And I said, you know what?

00:36:30.081 --> 00:36:33.101
I got to start these back up with, you know, because it's like you learn so

00:36:33.101 --> 00:36:36.081
much about the perspectives and it's exciting.

00:36:36.981 --> 00:36:41.701
Thank you. So before we close out, what's the saying or quote that you go by?

00:36:43.061 --> 00:36:46.121
Oh my God, that's a great question. Well, there's two.

00:36:46.321 --> 00:36:49.781
I have one on my laptop right here, which is by Rumi, which is,

00:36:49.941 --> 00:36:52.261
it says that what you seek is seeking you.

00:36:52.961 --> 00:36:55.921
So that's a good one. And then another one by Annie Dillard,

00:36:55.921 --> 00:36:58.761
I think it is or I like read it

00:36:58.761 --> 00:37:01.581
on her blog or whatever and it's

00:37:01.581 --> 00:37:04.481
like how we spend our days is how we spend our lives

00:37:04.481 --> 00:37:08.141
so I really try to make every day you

00:37:08.141 --> 00:37:11.501
know something beautiful where I create something I

00:37:11.501 --> 00:37:14.401
have fun I see people that I love because yeah how

00:37:14.401 --> 00:37:17.941
we spend our days is how we spend our lives so oh I

00:37:17.941 --> 00:37:20.801
love it I love that you know that's true

00:37:20.801 --> 00:37:23.801
how we do how we do one thing is how we do everything too

00:37:23.801 --> 00:37:26.701
because it's amazing i love that

00:37:26.701 --> 00:37:29.401
quote because yeah everything every day could be an

00:37:29.401 --> 00:37:32.621
event in a different way your way yeah and

00:37:32.621 --> 00:37:35.541
it's and again it's not saying that you're going to put off your creative goals

00:37:35.541 --> 00:37:38.201
like as you're saying like you're going to publish your short stories you're

00:37:38.201 --> 00:37:41.841
doing your podcast like you have to sit down and do those things now because

00:37:41.841 --> 00:37:47.281
like otherwise that tomorrow might never come right so you know yeah that's

00:37:47.281 --> 00:37:50.921
the point how we And I promise is how we'd spend our lives.

00:37:52.661 --> 00:37:55.941
Yes. Especially with the, the long COVID and stuff. But anyway,

00:37:56.001 --> 00:37:57.301
that's another topic for another day.

00:37:58.241 --> 00:37:59.661
I know you probably heard about

00:37:59.661 --> 00:38:02.761
long COVID, but I'm going to have you come back on here about that one.

00:38:04.697 --> 00:38:08.297
That's going to be on that topic because that could be a good one,

00:38:08.417 --> 00:38:13.617
long COVID and how to still have a sexual life with long COVID and even have

00:38:13.617 --> 00:38:15.097
a life in general with long COVID.

00:38:15.197 --> 00:38:17.857
How can one do it? That would probably be another good topic.

00:38:18.297 --> 00:38:21.977
Yeah, that sounds fucking amazing. Especially with a fellow researcher like

00:38:21.977 --> 00:38:24.357
me. Oh, man, we'll kill that topic. Yeah.

00:38:25.357 --> 00:38:28.297
Good for you. Well, Tasha, thank you so much for coming on here.

00:38:28.357 --> 00:38:31.417
I had so much fun speaking with you. It's been just a breath of fresh air.

00:38:32.057 --> 00:38:36.957
And just shout out your socials. And I'm going to put them in the show notes

00:38:36.957 --> 00:38:39.297
though, y'all. But you can shout them out too if you want.

00:38:40.177 --> 00:38:42.517
Thank you. Yes, I quite. No, I honestly love chatting with you.

00:38:42.617 --> 00:38:46.437
Such a great conversation. And yeah, my socials are mostly miseducated underscore.

00:38:46.737 --> 00:38:50.497
So that's M-I-S-S-E-D-U-C-A-T-E-D underscore.

00:38:50.837 --> 00:38:55.097
Wherever you can find me on TikTok, on the Instagram, you know.

00:38:55.257 --> 00:38:58.137
And I hope everyone has a blessed day. And it was lovely talking to you.

00:38:58.297 --> 00:38:59.157
Thank you so much for having me.

00:39:00.057 --> 00:39:03.137
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